Intellectuals v woke

Jan 25, 2025

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The most important disagreement in the Rufo-Kaufmann discussion of how to deal with woke concerns the role of public intellectuals, a burning issue on the right.

Christopher F. Rufo

Post-Progressivism

Christopher Rufo: Eric Kaufmann and I have been traveling almost on parallel tracks. We had a book about the origins of woke ideology—mine is published. We work on some of the policy and university reform, me in the United States, Eric in the U.K. I thought this was a great opportunity to sit down with you and explore something that you’ve been working on at length, and it’s this idea of post-progressivism as an academic discipline, a concept, and a fulcrum for instituting some of the changes that we’ve been talking about the last few years. Why don’t you just open up at the beginning and tell me what is post-progressivism…

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5 months ago · 75 likes · 23 comments · Christopher F. Rufo

Kaufmann is for social science: We need new people doing new studies, to prove that our criticism of woke is fact-based, that we have evidence on our side. The method has to be elite, i.e. socio…

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